A 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. Posts: 29386; Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:37 pm; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE;The B-787-10 could need next generation engines and become the 787-10ER and thus be a formidable Aircraft replacing the 787-9, 777-300ER on most routes they fly. As you can see, at maximum zero fuel weight, the 787-10 range is only ~4200 NM. How. エンジン. TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . Essentially with delays to the 777-8 program, Boeing has a unique chance to create a 787-10ER variant that could fill in the 777-8's shoes without delay. About the Boeing 787-10. FAQ; Search . On the deliveries side, CNBC reporting in November indicated that Boeing was aiming to produce between 400 and 450 737 MAX aircraft in 2023 up from about 375 planes in 2022. Experience the new way to fly. By Pranjal Pande Feb 18, 2022 United Airlines 787-10. BY meh130 - Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:33 am. If it's happening in commercial aviation, you'll get the information and opinions here first. Boeing last week confirmed reports that the rate will fall from 12/mo to 10/mo in 2021 and 2022. 1月19日，波音公司获得美国联邦航空局（FAA）为波音787的第三种机型——波音787-10颁发的型号认证修订证书，为其投入商业运营扫清了道. One of the things you try to do in. To get to the useful levels of 77W it needs another 6-10t on top of that. FAQ; Search . I feel like they could be one of those airlines that could push 78X ER towards the end of its limit on a regular basis if they ever showed interest in the type. Even as Boeing resumes and ramps up 737 production, it’s facing rate reductions for the 787 and, LNA learned, for the 777. If large capacity is an airline's goal, then the 777-9 is your best bet. The B78X is a member of the B787 series of aircraft. A MAX-10ER would move the needle more than a 787-10ER, IMO. Advanced searchYou have no notifications. RE: 787-10 Versus 777-200, 777-200ER, And 777-200LR #5146675. DLHAM. Longer term the 767 may go altogether and A350-1000 replace the 300ER fleet, leaving only 787 and A350. 3mn for the smallest variant and rises to $338. Boeing has already started to fit the stronger -10 parts onto the -9. But stronger engines to accelerate the aircraft to a higher lift-off speed or longer runways are needed. Mar 20, 23, 11:01 pm #20 Cambo . TranscendZac. Posts: 1022; Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:10 am; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE; Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23825037. Posts: 165; Joined: Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:50 pm; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE; Re: When and will Boeing bring the 787-10ER to market? #18991327. If the 777X completely fails and the market starts demanding bigger long haul jets, then I could see more ambitious 787 developments (787-10ER, 787-11), but that is a big if and would require significant investment (bigger wing, new landing gear). Cruise Speed: 560 mph. With 568 deliveries at the time of writing, it is the most popular. Posts: 1025. IMO, if the 777X fails, it might just be better to cede that side of the market to Airbus. USER_MINI_PROFILE. Longer term the 767 may go altogether and A350-1000 replace the 300ER fleet, leaving only 787 and A350. The 787-8 to 787-10 is. A 787-9ER would make for an interesting ULH plane too. A330-900 competes with A350-900 for orders. Introduction Aug. Reply. We call it the Dreamliner effect. I expect a small paper MTOW bump to the 787-9 to do the New York route. IMO, if the 777X fails, it might just be better to cede that side of the market to Airbus. I feel like they could be one of those airlines that could push 78X ER towards the end of its limit on a regular basis if they ever showed interest in the type. The Boeing 787 Dreamliner is an American wide-body jet airliner developed and manufactured by Boeing Commercial Airplanes . You have no notifications. If that is accurate that would be truly impressive! If they do launch the 787-10ER it may dominate the 300 seat Long space for many years! Maybe a 290-300 seat config for Qantas one day. Advanced searchA 787-10ER would allow higher density destinations from ORD, such as Haneda. As the type is now well established, what are the future. With newer seats 8 abreast would be acceptable for medium distance flights. . Five years ago, we introduced our Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft on two routes with a dream of flying the flag to places we’d never been before. A 787-10ER is a narrower aircraft with a smaller wing than an A350-900. To get to the useful levels of 77W it needs another 6-10t on top of that. A pair of Boeing 787-8 Dreamliners once operated by budget carrier Norwegian Airlines are being scraped after just 10 years. IMO, if the 777X fails, it might just be better to cede that side of the market to Airbus. And of course a brand new single-aisle. flipdewaf wrote: The 787-10 isnt capable enough to be fully mainstream just yet, even with the 6T MTOW upgrade it has ~6800nm SAR and 4550nm at MZFW. The aircraft has MSN 60293 and Line No. Join Date: Nov 2017. The 737 platform has been pushed much harder than the 787, as you know. 72 m vs 62. The 787-10 is the newest and largest 787 model. The cost wouldn't be worth it. FAQ; Search . Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23820773. Posts: 1025. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; UCP_PROFILE_SETTINGSTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . Posts: 1,309 Quote: Originally Posted by Reply1984. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOYou have no notifications. The 787-3, 8 and 9's spec can easily be found on the boeing website. By comparison, the 787-10's span is the shortest of all the Dreamliners, at 11,910km. View Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner seating and specifications on United aircraft using this United Airlines seating chart. Could the airline operate a 787-10ER? A 737-10ER? Or perhaps the 797? We really just have to wait and see what Boeing will come up with next. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . By Bjorn Fehrm. A 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. 波音787梦想客机（英語： Boeing 787 Dreamliner ，港澳台称为波音787夢幻客機） ，是波音公司最新型號的廣體中型客機，由波音民用飛機集團負責開發，於2011年投入服務。787在典型3級艙等配置下可載242至395人. Photo: Boeing. The gains aren't as available. Meanwhile, the 777-8's published range, according to Boeing, is "up to 8,730NM (16,170km). In a three-part series, LNA ’s analysis concluded Boeing could add 1,000nm to the advertised range of 6,430nm. Search Flights. The 789 seems an excellent performer and sells well and sooner or later Boeing will have to look at a 787-10ER like aircraft, 300-350 seats 8000NM isn't a niche. The 787-10 as it is now is a simple stretch of 787-9, suffering from payload and range penalty as a result. FAQ; Search . Such an aircraft would be niche and it would probably be easier to make a 787-8ER. A 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. To address your earlier point, will a MTOW bump adding 400 miles change its competitive position, yes, AFAIK the returns are greatest in these middle ranges. Too much is changing too quickly to make a reasonable decision. FAQ; Search . 787-9ER and -10ER is only going to attract a marginal number of additional orders from existing 787. Posts: 1003; Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:10 am; USER_STATUS: Online; Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23825037. Assuming 195 lbs per passenger ( FAA average adult passenger weight in winter) plus 50 lbs baggage per passenger, gives a typical payload of 80,850 lbs. Both the MAX and the 787 are now selling extremely well. FAQ; Search . The A350XWB-1000 “Double Sunset” aircraft will be very competetive against the 777-9 and leave the 777-8 as a 777-8F. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . FAQ; Search . UA could then shift their older 787-10s to replace their 777-200 (non-ER). Posts: 923; Joined: Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:42 am; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE. Similar capacity & closer to the 772's range. As you can see, at maximum zero fuel weight, the 787-10 range is only ~4200 NM. One thing I think that is needed is a lower capacity TATL airplane. A 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. Boeing should put its financial and engineering resources to getting its supply chain and production quality in order, then into designing a brand new replacement of the 737 line (I think we all know that there cannot be a 5th generation 737). Leading engine. At 560,000 lbs the weight on each wheel is already 8% greater than the 77W. To read the rest of the article. Boeing has already started to fit the stronger -10 parts onto the -9. The original Boeing 787-8, which is locally flown by Qantas' low-cost arm Jetstar, tops out at 13,620km. I feel like they could be one of those airlines that could push 78X ER towards the end of its limit on a regular basis if they ever showed interest in the type. No need for a triple bogey, the 359 has a double with weights the 787 won't approach and has no need for. Re: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10 #23111827. FAQ; SearchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . A 787-10ER would be a solid 77E replacement for that airframes major users (UA, BA, AA, etc) but would also be a great airframe for 77W users looking to downsize. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . Aggressively competing for the order was the Airbus A350, however reports from Reuters earlier last week outlined the airline had selected Boeing jets to replace their ageing fleet of eight Boeing 777-200ERs. FAQ; Search . The later generation engines on the A350-900 closes the difference in operating costs depending on how the aircraft is operated. DLHAM. BY MIflyer12 - Tue May 30, 2023 1:35 pm. ” The 787-3, 8 and 9's spec can easily be found on the boeing website. Once the backlog is cleared out and things are fully back on track I expect we will start to see the new 789 and 787-10ER. Unanswered topics; Active topics; SearchYou have no notifications. With Qantas using a normal 787 to test the Project Sunrise concept, it would not be far fetched for them to consider an actual 787 with an extra range. The Boeing 787 Dreamliner is a long range, mid-sized, wide-body, twin-engine jet airliner. 5:1 with the 772 having a few year head start and not. If that is accurate that would be truly impressive! If they do launch the 787-10ER it may dominate the 300 seat Long space for many years! Maybe a 290-300 seat config for Qantas one day. Have you booked a flight to Kilimanjaro, Dar es Salaam, Dubai, Curacao. FAQ; Search . Would A Boeing 787-10ER Challenge The Airbus A350? Boeing is reportedly looking to boost the 787-10s range, creating a new long-haul competitor. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOYou have no notifications. A 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. Credit: United Airlines. FAQ; Search . The Federal Aviation Administration approved Boeing’s plans to inspect and repair tiny manufacturing flaws in the Dreamliner’s carbon-composite frame, two people familiar with the plan said late Friday. For example, range, seat count, MTW, MLW of 787-8LR, 9LR, 10, 10ER, 10LR, 11, 11ER. USER_MINI_PROFILE. (787 engine) to get is the LEAP's reduction in turbine cooling during cruise to improve fuel. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . October 17, 2019, 10:49 pm "It's pretty impressive that Airbus plans to increase the range of the A350-1000 by 700nm, which will make this an even more spectacular plane. DLHAM. majano wrote: I can assure you that the 787-10 has been available for sale much longer than two years. Advanced searchYou have no notifications. As before we compare the classical 737 system to. A 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. A 787-10ER would be a solid 77E replacement for that airframes major users (UA, BA, AA, etc) but would also be a great airframe for 77W users looking to downsize. FAQ; Search . Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOSettings WELCOME_INDEX, Google Adsense [Bot] Google Adsense [Bot]TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . 5mn for the 787-9. 787 Dreamliner is a popular aircraft, but comparing an upgraded 787-10 or 787-9 vs 777-300er ,how would an 7. Search Flights. FAQ; Search . TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . USER_MINI_PROFILE. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Google Adsense [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOYou have no notifications. The biggest window size of any aircraft, positioned so that everyone can enjoy the views; Dreamliner interior includes high vaulted ceiling, wide body, and adjustable LED. United Airlines 787-10. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . Photo: Airbus. The -10 is an extended version of the 787-9 and therefore has more seating capacity. The later generation engines on the A350-900 closes the difference in operating costs depending on how the aircraft is operated. She won't if she stays within 560,000lbs MTOW, but for a heavier "787-10ER" variant (or any 787 that exceeds 560,000lbs MTOW), this will indeed be the case. But the lack of range makes this plane also inferior to the Airbus A350 series. In fact, the -10 was only officially launched in 2013, at the Paris Air Show. (787 engine) to get is the LEAP's reduction in turbine cooling during cruise to improve fuel. TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . One thing I think that is needed is a lower capacity TATL airplane. 1034. A 787-10 with extended range would allow: Replacement of the 777-200ER with the same range, up to 42 additional seats, and more than 25% better fuel efficiency. The Boeing 787-9 – which Qantas will fly from October this year – stretches out to 14,140km, albeit with more passengers than the 8. Cost $338. Just putting things in perspective, the 787-10 has roughly same realistic range as the 333 (maybe excluding the latest 242T variant), so we'll talking about most of NA to Europe / SA, NA west coast to. After dropping its unconventional Sonic Cruiser project, Boeing announced the conventional 7E7 on January 29, 2003, which focused largely on efficiency. 仕様. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . Air New Zealand has placed an order for eight Boeing 787-10 Dreamliners with 20 options in a deal worth $2. Elevating your experience on even the shortest flights. It is, however, possibly an aircraft that Boeing should have considered building instead of the 777X (although, the simple stretch 787-10 should have remained a part of the family regardless). ボーイング787 ドリームライナー （ 英: Boeing 787 Dreamliner ）は、 アメリカ合衆国 の ボーイング 社が開発・製造し、 767 ・ 777 の一部を代替する、次世代の長距離用中型 ワイドボディ機 。. Our dream is ever-growing. You have no notifications. From Wiki "777-10X Boeing is proposing to stretch the -9 by four rows of seats to accommodate 450 passengers in a 777-10X variant to compete with the Airbus A380. Often compared with the long-range, wide. In Kuwait, Jazeera Airways owns and operates its own airport terminal – Jazeera Terminal 5. With delays to the non-flying 777 program, why doesn't Boeing offer a 787-10ER instead?. As the name suggests, changes will allow the aircraft to have a higher takeoff weight, carrying more fuel for extended operations. FAQ; Search . Notably, the capacity pits the plane between the largest 737 MAX narrowbody and the 787 Dreamliner widebody. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOI think a frame will have to be significantly bigger in size than a theoretical mid 2030's 787-10ER with new engines, to offer something unique enough for them to take on another type verses just retiring 777 and buying more 787. Advanced searchYou have no notifications. I could see UA buying the 787-10ER to augment their fleet, and possibly add the 787-10ER to replace 777-200ERs. That would make current Dreamliner fleets easier to integrate. If the speculation is true, the 787-10 can get up to a 1000nm increase in range or 12 tons in increased payload. With the company's growing backlog of aircraft orders, it will certainly need to ensure a well-paced rate of output to keep customers happy. TOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . By comparison, the 787-10's span is the shortest of all the Dreamliners, at 11,910km. 787-9ER and -10ER is only going to attract a marginal number of additional orders from existing 787. Boeing BBJ 787-800. Posts: 1012; Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:10 am; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE; Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23825037. Similar capacity & closer to the 772's range. 787-9ER and -10ER is only going to attract a marginal number of additional orders from existing 787. VN-A876) conducted its 20th "test" flight on April 5th. To address your earlier point, will a MTOW bump adding 400 miles change its competitive position, yes, AFAIK the returns are greatest in these middle ranges. FAQ; SearchYou have no notifications. See inside a brand-new $338. FAQ; Search . A MAX-10ER would move the needle more than a 787-10ER, IMO. Advanced searchThis increase allowed this plane to be useful during the COVID-19 pandemic due to the demand for cargo. The. FAQ; SearchYou have no notifications. 2. Boeing should put its financial and engineering resources to getting its supply chain and production quality in order, then into designing a brand new replacement of the 737 line (I think we all know that there cannot be a 5th generation 737). The newer 787-10ERs would replace older 777-200ERs. Read more. USER_MINI_PROFILE. Boeing should put its financial and engineering resources to getting its supply chain and production quality in order, then into designing a brand new replacement of the 737 line (I think we all know that there cannot be a 5th generation 737). I feel like they could be one of those airlines that could push 78X ER towards the end of its limit on a regular basis if they ever showed interest in the type. It would be interested to see if the mentioned 787-10’s MTOW increase of 6. You have no notifications. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOIt’s a “heavy shrink” just like e. A 787-9ER would make for an interesting ULH plane too. This affects passenger comfort but it also gives a lighter aircraft with less wetted area. 787-9ER and -10ER is only going to attract a marginal number of additional orders from existing 787. Hell if it’s good enough you might even see a 787-9ER (fitted with extra tanks) do AKL-LHR one day! If the 777X completely fails and the market starts demanding bigger long haul jets, then I could see more ambitious 787 developments (787-10ER, 787-11), but that is a big if and would require significant investment (bigger wing, new landing gear). The 787-10 is also not a completely accurate competitor against the Airbus A350, which is why Boeing has been reportedly linked to possibly boosting the 787-10s range through the 787-10ER. The 787-10 is the newest and largest 787 model. Really fun to see Boeing working on projects instead of fixing mistakes. According to Wikipedia, the typical passenger configuration for the 787-10 is 330 seats in a 2-class layout. This is still short of the top wing loading in the business, the 777-300ER at 770kg/m2. If Boeing's new financial mantra had applied in 2012-13, there would be no 777X. FAQ; Search . FAQ; Search . The airplane's unparalleled fuel efficiency and range flexibility enables carriers to profitably open new routes as well as optimize. A 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. FAQ; Search . Depending on the final configuration, it will have a range of about 7000 - 7500nm and seating capacity between 310 and 360. As the say. 81 m), and entered service with Air New Zealand in August 2014. Are there many 772 routes at AA that the 787-10ER cannot do. 787-9ER and -10ER is only going to attract a marginal number of additional orders from existing 787. Can anyone have a stab at figures for proposed 787 models. DLHAM. Flexible are asphalt type runway, the easiest to upgrade during normal life maintenance. Posts: 1018; Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:10 am; USER_STATUS: OFF_LINE; Re: 787-9ER and 787-10ER #23825037. 20 test flights over two years. I don't thing that Boeing is going to launch the 787-10ER, - because: * it will cannibalize the order book for the 777-200ER * Boeing is already selling the 787 as hot bread, - as they say the production rate is at the limit. Its Frankly a stretch from the west. However the fuel burn is higher during the entire flight. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . While this $83mn might be worth it for some airlines looking to fill premium demand, it is. Advanced searchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . Now we analyze how to achieve the extra range and what trades will be necessary to convert the 787-10 to a 787-10ER. PREVIOUS. A 787-10ER can be a great replacement for the 777-200ER, the standard 10 already is for all routes up to around 12 hours. I think it's going to have to be significantly bigger than an early 2030's 787-10ER to win out. Boeing confirmed a delay in the 777-8 development, but not the timeline. With 8 abreast seating the economics. If that is accurate that would be truly impressive! If they do launch the 787-10ER it may dominate the 300 seat Long space for many years! Maybe a 290-300 seat config for Qantas one day. As you can see, at maximum zero fuel weight, the 787-10 range is only ~4200 NM. Can anyone have a stab at figures for proposed 787 models. In June 2018, Jazeera became the first airline in the Middle East to add the A320neo aircraft to its fleet. Crew rest areas. With a focus on comfortable, convenient and affordable travel, we have won. FAQ; SearchTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . But stronger engines to accelerate the aircraft to a higher lift-off speed or longer runways are needed. Here's how the Dreamliner variants compare with this metric: The 787-8 has a range of 8,460 miles ; The 787-9 can fly 8,785 miles ; But the 787-10 has the shortest range of the three with 7,400 miles The 787-10 is also not a completely accurate competitor against the Airbus A350, which is why Boeing has been reportedly linked to possibly boosting the 787-10s range through the 787-10ER. By 2023 the 787-10 will account for a third of SQ's fleet. This affects passenger comfort but it also gives a lighter aircraft with less wetted area. USER_MINI_PROFILE. IMHO a 787-10ER won't compete with the 777-9X I agree it overlaps the bottom end of the current 777. Experience the new way to fly. Photo: Getty Images. Looking at recent 787-10 deliveries, it's clear that 20 test flights before delivery is an anomaly. The 787-10 is what it is. FORWARD ZONE FORWARD ZONE Boeing 787-10 Business Class Seat with console on the left Business Class Seat with console on the right Business Class - JTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . It will leave United with a modern widebody fleet of 200 787 (787-8, 787-9, 787-9ER, 787-10 and 787-10ER) and 22 77W. One thing I think that is needed is a lower capacity TATL airplane. Advanced searchIts certainly a substantial investment to be increasing gross weight beyond the platforms original design but it is still much cheaper than a clean sheet design which is what Y3 will be. The airplane's unparalleled fuel efficiency and range flexibility enables. The massive difference in the overall range restricts the 787 to operate only on regional or select long-haul routes, with ultra-long routes totally out of the. 7 billion at list prices. This is a savings over the ultra-popular 777-300ER, which cost airlines $375. With delays to the non-flying 777 program, why doesn't Boeing offer a 787-10ER instead?. Revelation. Materials, aerodynamics, systems, and engines have been chosen and designed with the overall, integrated design at the forefront. Photo: Boeing. Experience the new way to fly. 5% difference. The 787-10's added capacity comes at the cost of its range, which is stated by Boeing to be 6,330NM (11,730km)- a rather sharp decline from the 787-8's range of 7,565NM (14,010km). With only 6,430 nautical miles (11,910km) to play with, its unlikely Air New Zealand will be using this aircraft to fly their route-in-planning, Auckland to New York, in its current configuration. Perhaps the main reason but the 787-10's lack of popularity is due to the simple fact that it is a newer aircraft. BY Stitch - Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:52 am. A 787-10ER would be a solid 77E replacement for that airframes major users (UA, BA, AA, etc) but would also be a great airframe for 77W users looking to downsize. With a similar range profile, but lower capacity, airlines have shifted many 77W routes to these new-generation aircraft. FAQ; Search . Airlines that have already invested in the 787 series of planes (and don’t require the extra capacity) may select the 787-10ER over the 777-8. Tags: 777-300ER, 777X, 787, 787-10, Boeing. BY UA748i - Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:21 am. A MAX-10ER would move the needle more than a 787-10ER, IMO. USER_MINI_PROFILE. DLHAM. Meanwhile, the 787 program was announced back in. The aircraft 9V-SCA is expected to arrive in Singapore on Wednesday. I only have ten 787-10s for the aforementioned routes, and 60+ 787-9s for my main LH fleet. USER_MINI_PROFILE. It would not be surprising for them to stick with the 787 as their only long haul fleet type when the time comes for more replacements -- operating such a small fleet of 777X would make no financial or operational sense. A MAX-10ER would move the needle more than a 787-10ER, IMO. SettingsTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . The wing loading of a 787-10ER at Max Take-Off Weight goes from 700kg/m2 to 750kg/m2. FAQ; Search . FAQ; Search . The airline chose to fit the aircraft with 301 economy seats and 36 business class seats for a total capacity of 337. Congrats to Boeing and SIngapore Airlines. It would be interested to see if the mentioned 787-10’s MTOW increase of 6. 22, 2019, © Leeham News: By 2024 the 777-300ER will have been in service for 20 years and the 777-200ER 27 years. It appears to be a natural 777-200ER replacement. According to Darren Hulst, the vice president of Commercial Marketing at Boeing, the planemaker plans to add 4. 787-10ERはMTOWを14. FAQ; Search . Boeing faces the prospect of not having a. The WestJet 787 Dreamliner has smart sensors that detect turbulence and are designed to reduce motion sickness eightfold, according to Boeing. Revelation. I feel like they could be one of those airlines that could push 78X ER towards the end of its limit on a regular basis if they ever showed interest in the type. 228 lb, reportedly offered to NZ (787-10ER) in 2019, would have to partially include and increased OEW because of the possible needed redesigning, structural strengthening or reinforcment of any or more of the aircraft’s parts: fuselage, wingbox, wings. A 787-10ER, with a new wing, which could be available for the 9 and 10 as well, might have better overall life-time sales prospects, at higher margins. 787-9ER and -10ER is only going to attract a marginal number of additional orders from existing 787. If that is accurate that would be truly impressive! If they do launch the 787-10ER it may dominate the 300 seat Long space for many years! Maybe a 290-300 seat config for Qantas one day. FAQ; Search . Pilots and flight attendants have their own compartments on wide-body aircraft where they get to rest on long-haul flights. Settings WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] NO_PMS_INFOTOGGLE_NAV WELCOME_INDEX, Bing [Bot] UCP_PROFILE; UCP_MESSAGES 0; Notifications ; MAIN_FORUM . It can be either narrow or wide body. I feel like they could be one of those airlines that could push 78X ER towards the end of its limit on a regular basis if they ever showed interest in the type. 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